Friday, June 13, 2008

Flickering Hopes and Miracles

Yankees' beat writer Tyler Kepner wrote an article in the Times today about the possibility of the Yankees trading for C.C. Sabathia. I like Kepner, but I violently disagree with about half of the article, and thought other parts were an interesting jump off for discussion. So here goes.
A painful swing by the Cleveland Indians’ Víctor Martínez on Wednesday could have significant ramifications for the Yankees. An elbow injury to Martínez all but ended the Indians’ flickering playoff hopes, and will probably lead to a trade of the ace left-hander C. C. Sabathia.
I guess he needed a way to kick off the article and get everybody's attention. Well, that worked.
No, it's not good that Martinez is going to be out at least through July. But it's not like he had been carrying the team; .278/.332/.333 with exactly zero home runs 54 games. Something was clearly wrong, and it turns out it may have even been two things (I've read that his hamstring has been bothering him as well). Also, Shoppach is one of the best backups in the league; this is why you don't trade your backup catcher, as tempting as it may be at some points.

Anyway, "All but ended the Indians' flickering playoff hopes"? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Are they 15 back of some powerhouse team? No, they're 6.5 back of the freaking White Sox. They're not in great shape, but they've still got a decent shot here. It's not like it would take a miracle or anything.
The Indians would need a miraculous recovery from their 31-36 start to make the playoffs, and it seems likely they will focus on next season.
Winning 21 of 22 games to reach the World Series is a miracle. Coming back from being seven games out on September 12 is a miracle (it is pretty crazy that both those things happened in one year, isn't it). Winning seven more games than the White Sox over a 95 game stretch doesn't quite fit that description.

By the way, the Yankees are seven games out of first themselves. This is what happens when you make the playoffs 13 straight seasons. You actually begin to think that it's your birthright.
Sabathia is 4-8 with a 4.34 earned run average, but he shut out the Minnesota Twins in his last start Tuesday.
What? Was that start not included in his statistics? Was it a particularly important game?

Here, let me try:

Sabathia's ERA isn't stellar, at 4.34, but he's been dominant since posting a 13.50 ERA in his first four starts. It's not clear what caused his early struggles--maybe thinking about playing for a new contract, maybe all the innings last year, maybe bad mechanics, possibly none of the above--but he seems to be beyond it, as he's posted a 2.09 ERA and a 73:14 K:BB ratio in 73 innings since. He won't be winning any personal awards this year, but he looks to be back to his '07 Cy Young form.

Was that so hard?
The earlier the Indians make Sabathia available, the more they could demand for him in prospects. The Indians acted quickly in June 2002 by dangling Bartolo Colón, their ace at the time, in trade talks. They received a bonanza of prospects from Montreal, including outfielder Grady Sizemore, pitcher Cliff Lee and infielder Brandon Phillips.
I don't have anything to say here. I just like being reminded of that trade. This was the worst trade in...how long? It's worse than Kazmir-Zambrano, because it's three guys instead of one. The Liriano/Nathan/Bonser combo was looking pretty unbeatable around here, but that ended. I'm open to suggestions.
The Yankees’ second baseman, Robinson Canó, is struggling, and his salary would not be too much for the Indians. But because Sabathia is unsigned past this season, it is doubtful Canó would be traded for him.
That would work. Did you know Dewan's numbers had Cano at +17 last year, and +5 so far this year? I knew he had improved out there, but damn. He hasn't been hitting, but whatever--I'll take that 110 OPS+. Trading Sabathia for him wouldn't even be that much of an immediate downgrade, especially if they do it after Carmona is back; the Indians have gotten a glorious .256 SLG out of their second basemen this year, and currently have Jamey Caroll and Jorge Velandia manning the position.

I doubt the PostingYankees would do it though. Maybe if they got a negotiating window with Sabathia? Maybe IPK instead, would that be agreeable? Just thinking out loud here.

Whether they make a deal, the Yankees must get more consistency from their rotation to reach the playoffs.

“I think over the long haul, consistency from your rotation is the most important thing in baseball,” Manager Joe Girardi said. “This game, to me, starts with your rotation and how well your rotation is throwing.”

That's it. That's how he ends the article. There is no way anyone proofread this last part. At least I hope not.

14 comments:

cj s. said...

Right now, the Yankees rotation is actually solid. Wang is Wang, Mussina actually has a very good shot at the All-Star game (!), Pettitte has been solid, Joba looks like he could be a future ace, and Rasner has pitched very well since being called up, save his start the other night against the A's which was more bad luck than anything.

I would NOT trade Cano for CC. I would trade IPK for him, if we were able to sign him long term.

Vegas Watch said...

I'm assuming you also wouldn't trade Hughes?

cj s. said...

I wouldn't call him untouchable, but I'd rather hang on to him.

I don't think IPK by himself would fetch CC. I think the Yanks would have to also throw in a Tabata or Betences or something.

Vegas Watch said...

I think IPK and Tabata would probably do it.

cj s. said...

Yea and I would do that deal from the Yanks side of it if they were able to sign CC long term. We have 2 outfield prospects ready to start possibly next year in Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner.

Also, Tabata has been having a lot of issues this year. A month or 2 ago he struck out in the 7th inning of a game and just left the park. Said he almost quit baseball. He's clearly battling some personal problems.

Aram Hanessian said...

There is no way Cleveland should do Tabata and Kennedy. Tabata is awful and at this point Kennedy can't have too much value. Hughes or Jackson would have to be involved for them to make the deal. I'd much rather have Montero than Tabata.

Vegas Watch said...

"Tabata is awful"

Great analysis, thanks. He's what, 27 now? Yeah, definitely time to give up on him.

cj s. said...

Montero is probably next to untouchable right now.

And Tabata is terrible? Thanks for the sparkling insight.

Jarred Amato said...

Classic Aram response. Also, in case you guys were wondering, Kepner is a Vandy grad and while this article has its flaws, he's still much better than that loser Skip Bayless.

JoJo said...

Well, trading for CC only makes sense for the Yanks if they get a negotiating Window. With that window, there isn't much reason why the Indians shouldn't look for a similar package to the one that was being offered for Santana.
IPK's was considered performing around his ceiling last year, and has only hirt his trade value this year. And Tabata is at least 2-3 years from being ready. The Indians should be able to get a better deal than this, if they trade CC as a rent-a-player at the deadline.

Aram Hanessian said...

I wouldn't give up on him, but I'm not about to take a guy w/a .601 ops in AA as a centerpiece of a package for the cy young winner. He's also gotten injured every year and hasn't hit for power in two years. I understand he's always been young for his level, but his career ops is .745.

Vegas Watch said...

"With that window, there isn't much reason why the Indians shouldn't look for a similar package to the one that was being offered for Santana."

Sure there is. Sabathia is no Santana, and it's three months (or whatever) rather than six. The negotiating window is nice, but the privilege of giving a 28-year old pitcher 6yrs/$125MM really isn't worth THAT much.

The package the Twins got for Santana really wasn't all that great anyway. Although Shapiro>Bill Smith, so that has to be considered I guess.

Passive Voice said...

I wonder if Shapiro is going to find people less willing to deal because of the apparent similarities to the Sizemore trade. I think Moneyball mentioned Beane was finding people reluctant to deal with him because of how often/badly he swindled them.

Vegas Watch said...

Didn't seem to be an issue when he fleeced the Rangers and Mariners in the Hafner and Asdrubal trades, respectively.

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